Re: One real life secure random generator

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Carl Ellison (cme@acm.org)
Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:44:08 -0400


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At 11:27 PM 7/14/98 +0100, Ben Laurie wrote:
>My idea was to poll the mouse once every second or so, rather than 20
>times a second. This would reduce the loss of entropy because of
>predictable mouse positions without severe overhead. Even better would
>be to do it during idle processing (if you are in no hurry to get the
>entropy).

Ben,

        the last time I analyzed pointing data, the real entropy source came from
high frequency components (of the mouse track, sampled frequently). If you
sample only once a second, you lose those high frequencies.

        BTW, I also found that if you ask the user to do something non-mouse (e.g.,
sign his name or sign "John Handcock"), then the high frequency noise is
even greater -- over 1 bit per mouse sample.

 - Carl

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